T2 Syncro- The Holy Bayle

Discussion in 'Type 2 History' started by BayWatcher, Sep 12, 2011.

  1. Just a thought to throw into the mix, for anyone considering 'making' a Bay Syncro (although the cost would probably mean this is only of use to lottery winners):

    There's a company in OZ that does flipped-diff scooby boxes for use in bay scooby conversions. Doing it this way results in the engine sitting higher up on the back of the scooby box. Bearing in mind that these boxes are usually 4wd (but the exit point for the shaft which goes to the other 2 wheels is usually blanked off), might it be feasible to use the entire running gear from a 4wd subaru but with the diff flipped to make a scooby powered 4wd bay? What would have been the rear diff from the subaru would therefore be used at the front for the front wheels (don't know how big it is, but might be smaller than the syncro one and therefore might be a more suitable solution?)

    Anyway, just putting it forward as a suggestion.
     
  2. Those flipped scooby boxes are about $5000 aren't they?

    Its just the front suspension that the difficult bit with a 4wd conversion. Finding some way to get drive to the front hub would mean custom made spindles or something i'd assume.
     
  3. A few more piccies of the prototype syncro:
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  4. Very nice pictures Zebedee.
     
  5. Two close ones from a three point 400mm Swf wiper blades.

    Interesting front massive look.

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  6. G'day all. with the syncro Todd at subarugears is doing diff ratio's to suit the syncro so you dont have to use subi rear diff in the front. I have mate with an ej20 turbo I fitted to his syncro 10 years ago in that time it has had 2 second hand & 3 rebuilt gearboxes. I had spent time setting up jigs to mount subi box using bay shifter & linkages instead of syncro sideshift setup but ill health at the time caused me to give it a break for a while & owner ran out of finance's. having met Todd & seen the quality of his gear's you couldn't go far wrong. value for money over here compared to a rebuilt syncro starting at approx $2500.00 aud to $7500.00aud not cheap compered to a good strong 5 speed the only set back is lack of decoupler. but if you were desperate you could put it in the front diff or a dog clutch in a split tailshaft anything is possible if you take the time to think it out. I have spent the last 30 odd years planning a 4x4 bay & finally started it then i found this site with the photo's & in it are the front end set up of the jeg & mule bay for syncro having looked at the steering to clear the diff I spent 1/2 hour dropping steering arm to below the bottom beam instead of thru the middle now plenty of room for diff & no problem's with engineer for registration certificate. All the best over there
    Ernie
     
  7. Now where do i get wipers like that?
     
  8. They are probably off some commercial vehicle knowing VW (MAN or something).
     
  9. Hello Ernie.

    What type of front hubs you have in mind?

    Paradox I got lucky and after six months of waiting at eBay I found a set.

    Zebedee I truly don't know which other models had them on.

    I guess eBay is a good source or an old part store might have a set.

    I showed one of those pictures to many stores near my area, unfortunately no one had seen a blade like that.

    I don't have any part number of the wipers, I wish I did to share with you guys.
     
  10. G'day Topaz I am using a set of freebies off an holden rodeo ( izusu) I have them at an engineer's getting them reamed out to take the much larger kombi ball joint there is plenty of metal to do it & allow for the camber adjuster to be fitted. Hope to get 1 back this week to test fit. a mate reckons i should be keeping some stuff secret but if someone picks up my idea's I don't care as long as they get help to fulfill a goal that's what kombiying is all about none of my vw's have ever been left stock so why start now
    ernie
     
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  11. Brilliant thread, just had a proper read through it and some of the links too(great info chaps!). I have intentions of making mine a bit more robust with 15" wheels, all terrain tires, up rated shocks etc.......but syncro would be cool.
     
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  12. Heres a not usually seen angle of the underside of a t25 syncro showing the drint diff and propshaft:
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  13. A quality thread resurrection, And my dream bay :)
     
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  14. It looks pretty simple from looking at the piccies.
    Just the fabrication of the front spindles that the puzzler for me. And the ends of the rear torsion bars.
     
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  15. Oi get in line im first
     
  16. "I'd love to find a late bay double cab shell and a rotten (or rolled) T25 syncro and marry the two together to make a syncro bay...."

    I'd love to find a old Vincent Velocette and a rolled T25 syncro and make a Velcro....:D

    Couldn't resist...

    If anyone's interested...those two missing Syncros were last spotted in Chile ... driven by Lord Lucan, with Lionel 'Buster' Crabb in hot pusuit
     
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  17. The front hub/bearing carriers off a Saab 900 look like they could be used with some modifications to get drive to the front wheels as its got balljoints top and bottom unlike most strut equipped cars. Machine the tapers to fit bay balljoints and tie rod ends and use the saab brakes with adapters to bring it back to 5x112 PCD and jobs a goodun'.;)
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  18. I think you can buy shorter bay rear torsion bars which would solve the problem of the centre of the torsion tube needing cutting to fit the nosecone of the syncro 'box.
    Or you could remove the torsion bars altogether and just fit coilovers.
     
  19. The front diff and front spindles are the tricky bit on a bug. As is the running of the propshaft.

    I helped a mate create a 4wd 1303 for rallycross use quite a few years back. That was pretty simple compared to a beam equipped bug as we just used a BMW diff, passat lower arms and driveshafts and mk1 golf front struts and brakes.
    Theres someone on thesamba.com making a 4wd manx buggy with subaru running gear and someone else making a baja from syncro stuff. Well worth a search for the threads.
     
  20. It's been such a long time since my last visit on this great topic.
    Great links and info as always Zebedee.
    What kind of front spindle did jokgel use?
    I have to get in touch with him, next time we visit Stockholm, I might have to take a little trip towards that bus.

    Ernie how is it going, any updates on your setup?
     

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