Now Is the summer/autumn/winter of our discontent

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by rustbucket, Aug 22, 2022.

  1. hailfrank

    hailfrank Admin esq.

    poor edwina and John. Lovely couple
     
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  2. Cough. Steady on old chap. Let’s not get carried away. I don’t like that “free” word you are just throwing around there. I stand for fiscal responsibility.
     
  3. Made for each other!!!
     
  4. hailfrank

    hailfrank Admin esq.

    shocking
     
  5. hailfrank

    hailfrank Admin esq.

    free at the point of eating?
     
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  6. crossy2112

    crossy2112 Supporter

    I've heard him called worse.
     
  7. You say they shouldn't withdraw their labour for more money (ie go on strike) but instead they should not take the work on unless the government paid more (ie withdraw their labour until the money is better). I think I can spot a hole in your argument here that a good barrister would be able to drive a bus through...

    I'm all for people of all walks of life exercising their right to campaign for better pay and conditions. Bring it on!

    And I'm as outraged as the RMT are that Avanti trains, who took £274 million from public funds in the pandemic, are at the bottom of the TOC league tables for delivery and are slashing train services, have just paid out £11.5 million in dividends to shareholders. This is where public money is being wasted...
     
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  8. I hope you aren’t suggesting that barristers should take on second jobs as bus drivers.

    The way I see it, stopping all work isn’t the same as not working for one client and the HMRC laws don’t allow them to only have one client anyway, or they would need to be employed by them.
     
  9. Huyrob

    Huyrob Supporter



    Not quite sure of your point here you may be conflating rules/ regulations that apply to people who ( encouraged by advisers ) seek to claim the “ benefits “ of self employed status eg expenses , when they are actually only working for one , perhaps two providers of their work. This is a sham.
    It’s getting quite boring now , but……Barristers are self employed, they may have open arrangements with one or two introducers of instructions ( briefs ) they may have built up a relationship but it is not contractual. Even legal aid you have no contract with them ( although solicitors do have ) Your knowledge of HMRC laws is probably as limited as mine but it is not helpful to further your case here.
    You and I know that there are lots of tradesmen / tradeswomen who have been encouraged to go self employed when all of their work comes from a single source. Yes , brilliant they think… I can claim for my fuel , my butties, my overalls , my tools. Etc
    Because our HMRC is overwhelmed many get away with it……..I have come across probably about 10 that didn’t. Devastating for them, HMRC go back 6 years, then if there is something amiss in those 6 years then they go back another 6. The calculations that I have seen by HMRC as to what they claim back are truly ruthless.
    Lots of people get away with it but.. ?
     
  10. Huyrob

    Huyrob Supporter

    As a suggestion to close this post.
    Do we agree that a barrister doing legal aid work, at the beginning of his / her career , not having earned until perhaps age 25 and having accrued debt. Representing perhaps the most vulnerable section of society ( I am not a liberal softie by any means )…(.Purple research my posts a bit deeper !)……should perhaps be earning a non salaried and non guaranteed income of at least £30k before tax ?. Based on full time availability and legal aid rates.
    I despair, our country is built on a judicial system which is in tatters, an economy that is in freefall, ..and I’m not sure that my van will be ready for Techenders !.
    On that I’m out :hattip:
     
  11. Faust

    Faust Supporter

    It still is .
     
  12. matty

    matty Supporter

    Is this thread still going round and round

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  13. No I think it’s come to its conclusion. I think we’ve all learnt that what this country needs is more traditional socialists like myself who are prepared to stand up for the rights of the lowest placed in our society and not be afraid to be shouted down and attacked by the hard line Labour supporters who favour increases to the already well off over giving nurses a decent living wage.

    I gotta say it wasn’t where I thought we’d end up this morning after listening to and watching yesterdays BBC/ITV output but here we are none the less.

    Power to the people.
     
  14. crossy2112

    crossy2112 Supporter

    See my post re Windmills of your mind :)

    I hear the top 100 ceo's are thinking about striking as the average pay is only £3.4m :rolleyes:
     
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  15. Zed

    Zed Gradually getting grumpier

    I suppose we all have our own conclusions. Mine is that RB has a chip on his shoulder and the word "Barrister" activates it.
     
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  16. Like all true socialists I’m obviously going to get angry when I see injustices against those who can’t speak for themselves. It’s not a chip. It’s a social conscience.

    power to the people.
     
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    :D
     
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  18. crossy2112

    crossy2112 Supporter

    Does that mean you would take a day of action to help another's cause :thumbsup:
     
  19. Instead of giving a glib answer. I’ve really given this some thought and you know I think I would. If I felt the cause was justified and it was the only way to make a difference.

    I said a while ago that I’d be all for a series of National strikes in protest to the current state of the energy market and the taxation on fuel at the pumps. I’d definitely join that. Cos I think there is gonna be real suffering in this country this winter. 50% of what we pay at the pump is taxation. If the government were actually serious in helping people out in what I consider to be a national emergency, then it’s well within their powers to do so. Protesting against the pole tax worked eventually.

    Same as I would be all for a National boycott of say BP stations for two months as a form of national protest. If the petrol companies and the government won’t do anything then we have the power as individuals to distort the market by choosing to buy our fuel from where ever we want.

    I can see civil unrest being a thing if action isn’t taken pretty soon.
     
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  20. MorkC68

    MorkC68 Administrator

    Good idea...lets use Tesco and get Clubcard points :D
     
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