Moons i have to ask Did you watch the exodus vid I only ask because i would love to hear your view on it even if if your view was different to mine Ask @Dicky about sitting round a fire with me in complete disagrement but complete understanding we are both good people I think the paravan should hit derbyshire when its fiinished and the most disagreeing people should all sit together round a tilley lamp
i had to googled to find out what "nos balloons" were. i knew it couldn't be 'new old stock' isn't it the job of every older generation to frown upon the antics of the younger, to scowl and say "it wasn't like that in my day"?
Indeed it is hun But is it not also out job to point them in the right direction of fun? I wouldent have been able to party the way i did unless my folks had had the influence of partying to motown I feel sorry for the kids of today as everything is organised for them and very much commercial
Erm hun i owe you a big cuddle and a snog thats for sure as ive got a set of your awesome curtains ready to go in my van I know you have and industrial sewing machine and was wondering if you would make me a new pop top? I dont have money but id be happy to do some welding for you on the bug or bus in return?
i think whether or not you chose to do drugs (of whatever description) is largely down to who you knock about with as a kid. My mum smoked...my dad was avidly against it. I never had any sort of 'talk' about drugs with my parents. They taught me to be inquisitive and learn by doing....I got into all sorts of stuff....solvents, gas, petrol, hairspray, banana skins (which is a myth), dope, mushrooms (in a big way) acid and Class A stuff on occassions...Not because i wasn't aware of the risks (short or long term), but because that's what we did when building dens and riding BMXs lost its appeal. Now I'm older, and wiser I hardly touch anything...I have no desire to be off my teds, on Booze or Drugs...I'll have the occassional spliff, if the situation feels right, and it's nice having a few beers from time to time, but tbh I'd be happier with a good cup of tea (and a roll up). the point i'm trying to make, with reference to the original thread, id that young kids get into whatever's happening around them...if that's gaming and Facebook then let them get on with it....they'll grow up and find other passtimes, and things to occupy their minds. Ironically, given all the crap that I've stuck down my neck, I'm more concerned about how sedentary kids are these days....that's a legacy you struggle to shrug off in later life. Thank god I spent virtually all my childhood running around, climbing trees, riding bikes and playing footie...I'd be in a lot worse shape if i hadn't
unfortunately, my machine won't take canvas - it's not that industrial and i've never made a @poptop2 before. curtains, cushions and resurrecting old quilts are as fancy as i get.
there's no way on this earth i'd have taken my parents direction to 'fun'! each generation finds their own way. a lot of it is very commercial but as with every generation, there are alternatives out on the fringes, especially the activist ones. there's a lot more going on out there but i guess we don't see it cos we're not invited :/
It is weird that the government can tell you what you can and can't put into your own body. The arguement about nhs costs etc doesn't really apply, if it did they should ban processed food which is going to cost billions caring for obesity related problems. What ever you think about drugs, it's blindingly obvious the present approach to drug use isn't working. America is completely paranoid about drugs and have super strict laws, but it doesn't stop use or supply, maybe it's time to legalise it and control it that way?
Think it's a moot point...in terms of costs for healthcare, policing, social costs etc. they should ban alcohol. It's not going to happen a) because it's socially acceptable to drink (but not to excess) and b) it provides a huge revenue stream. It comes down to the costs incurred to manage the heath issues directly attributable to the drug in question and where we draw the line as to what behaviour is socially acceptable or unacceptable as a result of its misuse. Alcohol is far worse compared to say Heroin (including the social costs of associated burglaries) but policies don't seem to take this into account. Banning one substance or decriminalizing another won't stop misuse (which is the source of the problem) Ensuring that the quality of the drugs on offer will result in fewer deaths, but there aren't that many.compared to say motoring accidents....so do we ban cars, or crisps, in the case of junk food? How do you correlate the facts in order to formulate policies and how much will it cost, compared to the benefits? Methadone is a good case in point....give it away on a prescription basis and you reduce burglaries....but not the availability of smack Tobacco's another good example: everyone who smokes knows that it's bad for your health...that it'll probably reduce your life expectancy by a few years (or more) It's addictive. It's highly taxed. Much of this revenue goes towards the costs incurred by the Health Service, and State pensions...Smokers die earlier, so are less of a drain on both counts. Government Accountants are well aware of this....smokers equate to a net gain for the government's coffers... Anyway. I'm going off topic...but it illustrates the complexity of the issues....Government policies invariably come down to Brass Tacks....if they can make money off drug users (other than smokers and drinkers) and the social implications are bearable, I'm cynical enough to suspect they will I'm looking forward to see how they'll attempt to change the public's perception I think that if we were to address the social issues surrounding poverty, and embrace the notion that education should be more about producing well-rounded members of society than highly qualified sociopaths with status anxiety, we'd have far fewer problems all round
i know nowt about cross-stich so you'll have to do the talking while i nod politely and drink gin from a china teacup
Having dealt with people with drugs issues my biggest fear as a parent is that my teenage daughter takes the stuff. I know I'll come across as a boring old fart but drugs destroy lives. If alcohol was discovered now it would be banned too. The cost to society is immense.
Back to the thread, Para is right and the drugs young people take now aren't great. If they wanna smoke dope they get the choice of super strong skunk or hash made from horse tranquilisers. Partying happy drugs are illegal so they take things made in China that are a bit like them, but have no idea what they really are. Last time I was at a festival, I was slipping about on small gas canisters meant for whipping cream. I saw one of my sons friends off his face on said gas and it made me very sad. He was basically tranquilised and appeared as if he could only just stand. Too right. This might sound a bit odd, but I blame BBC Radio 1 breakfast program in the 90's/early 00's. These arseholes spent the entire breakfast program day in day out extolling the virtues of getting so wrecked you couldn't remember what you did - having it large. So intense and non-stop was this drip-drip of "getting completely off your trolly is the coolest thing to do" that Radio 1 was banned in my house. They were not reflecting society, they were reflecting what a small minority of people did and promoting it as the only way to have fun. Don't get me wrong, I've tried them all, but in my day they were "real" drugs - speed, coke, heroin, smuggled real hash etc. so we knew what we were dealing with from centuries of previous use amongst the populous of the world. Now the kids are necking Ketamine and loosing their bladders before they reach 20 years old, taking pills made by the ton in a chemical works in China, smoking super strength skunk, drinking Voddy instead of beer and generally ending up in a mess. I see some of my sons friends completely lost - all they do is get wrecked. They start off having a spliff to enhance a night out, then stronger drugs to keep them awake, then eventually they spend their cash just on drugs without bothering to go out at all as the entrance ticket would be a waste of drugs money. It's not just the wasters behaving like this (as it was in my day), now everyone's doing it. Son's GF has a 1st in Chemistry, but she'll still go out on an all-nighter, get wasted and take days to recover. Education is the key, not law making. Laws have zero effect on drug taking, as I said, I blame BBC Radio 1 who's idea of eductaing the young about drugs was to say "take as many as poss and have it large". With that crap coming out of the radio, what's a parent to do?
I did watch it yes - reminded me of my youth - wasnt my scene. I was a professional sportsman at 18 i.e. I was paid to play - we were on the random drug testing scheme by then - but to be honest I would never have been in to that anyway, nor where any of my friends. I grew up near the coast - all my friends were into various sports, surfing, BMX, Rugby etc. None of us smoked leave alone took drugs, though most including me used to drink. The only unpleasant encounters we had were off their tits knob heads ruining parties and either becoming obnoxious dick heads or falling into campfires. Invariably - someone had to take care of them. And that is why people that'd dont drink and don't take drugs get hacked off with those that do - there is always someone that becomes such a state that you get dragged into having to look after them because thier 'mates' are either having too much of a good time or simply don't care. I suspect the latter. And therein lies the problem in my eyes - people that get off their tits rely, actually I'll not use the word rely as its much more seflish than that - assume that someone else will take resppnsibility for them, be that ambulance crews, concerned onlookers or any friends that are still capable. I stopped going out because pretty much every evening was ruined by someone doing this. I do appreciate that not all those that use drugs, drink etc are this way, or even set out this way of an evening - but - making an informed decision not too in the first place might prevent it. And yes - I am boring. Does everyone else really think that half a bottle of voddy or 10 cans of lager really makes them interesting?
