Dog prices

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Vancam70, Feb 19, 2018.

  1. Pudelwagen

    Pudelwagen Supporter

    I would strongly advise against getting a poodle cross of any variety!

    Ever since the labradoodle was invented (and the inventor now wishes he hadn't) gullible people have gone for cockerpoos, Marmitepoos, jackpoos etc because of the cute names and "designer" image. Sadly, unscrupulous breeders and puppy farmers know this and produce these dogs at stupid designer prices. The problem is that few of them go to the trouble of health testing the dogs before breeding with them so the offspring can inherit many of the problems (such as pra and hip dysplasia) which reputable breeders are doing so much to eliminate. Also, I don't know of any reputable poodle breeder who would allow their dog to be used for cross-breeding.

    Incidentally, poodles are gundogs as they were bred and used for waterfowling centuries ago, hence the long hair and "fancy" trim.

    My advice would be either to get a rescue as others have suggested or go to a reputable breeder (and £800 - £1,000 is a fair price) but please don't support back street breeders and puppy farmers whose concern is purely money with no regard to the welfare of the dog. Check out the kennel club website for advice on choosing a puppy.
     
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  2. We had a lovely Greyhound. He died just over a year and still miss him. I'd happily swap the baby for another but the Mrs says no.,.

    https://foreverhoundstrust.org/
     
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  3. Pudelwagen

    Pudelwagen Supporter

    Another problem with poodle crosses is that you can't guarantee what you're getting. You could well end up with a dog that has a coat that is part poodle and part spaniel. In other words, it will still shed hair but will also have longer hair which can matt and tangle in an uncontrollable way. We know several professional groomers and the worst problems they come across are poodle crosses which have grown out of control. These are often the kind of dog which ends up in a rescue centre because the owners can't cope with the grooming or the extra 50 or 60 quid every six weeks for a professional groomer.
     
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  4. Or standard Dachshunds
     
  5. Terrordales

    Terrordales Nightshift

    They're self breeding.
     
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  6. Our old (12 years) dog was born in Germany, her mother was a pedigree Golden Retriever.......her father was a Heinz 57 that lived next door!!
    Luckily both parents were a light tan colour, so what we have is a slightly short legged Golden Retriever, with a super temperament, which everyone loves to bits.
    We paid 400 euro's for her, and people said I was mad, but then Germans are only interested in pedigree types.
    I registered her as a X bred Golden Retriever at the local Municipality, her licence was issued classing her as a 'Golden Red River'!
    She really is a one off, her name is Bhubesi, which means little lion in Zulu.
    Tony
     
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  7. JT1

    JT1

    Understand why Staffies get bad press but it's not the dogs, just the mouth breathing scrotes who mal-treat them and use them as some kind of accessory. The dogs themselves are a very loving and family friendly breed and we're considering one from a rescue place.
    Our pedigree (pedigree Yorkie dad and pedigree Daschund mumo_O) Dorkie died three years ago and is still missed by us all.
     
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  8. crossy2112

    crossy2112 Supporter

    Mrs C once came in and said there out shooting the peasants :D
     
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  9. Marketing is the problem, for some reason what were once considered cross breeds have now become desirable. Let's face it, and given the results of the TV poll the other week, http://www.countryliving.co.uk/wild...w-britains-favourite-dogs-top-100-dog-breeds/ yours is a typical choice. All those promoting these cross breeds will say they have health benefits, but that is not necessarily the case and there are a lot of unscrupulous breeders of these dogs. My sister has a labradoodle it has had epilepsy and you would never know it had any poodle in it.

    We have a Welsh Springer and about to look at another next week, similar price to what you're paying. The breed club has an active health group looking at such things as epilepsy, glaucoma and other issues, and recording any dogs who get such health problems in an attempt to eradicate them. As part of the breed club we have been to the animal health trust and had our first Welshie tested for glaucoma as well as listen to a number of lectures. I know when I pick up the next pup his parents will have been hip scored and eye tested in advance of breeding and the breeder has been careful in their choice of dogs to breed from and the breeder has been recommended to us. Whilst that gives no absolute guarantee its about as good as it gets.

    Before you send off your money make sure that the post code is of somewhere that is unlikely to be a puppy farm, friends of mine who bought a cockapoo sent their deposit cheque to somewhere that when they later researched looked less than desirable, they never got a dog from there or their money back.

    BTW all dogs moult even those that aren't suppose to. Hair is only one issue they also bring loads of dirt into the house.
     
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  10. wasn't it the French that used Poodles as gun dogs ... at least that was the story I was once told by a guy who had one and used to take it shooting.
     
  11. Here's my view - people will charge what they know people will pay

    if no one pays £600-£1000 for a dog, sellers will offer them at realistic prices ....same applies for most things

    puppy farms are taking advantage of the high prices, most likely selling a little cheaper as they will always have customers for that price

    reduce pedigree price and the puppy farm market would drop off

    .....and I can't believe they are that price just because the owners have to pay for vaccines, health checks & to register them, there is still a big profit in there
     
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  12. Flakey

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    I’d say poodles are water retrievers rather than hunt or point.
    Ours doesn’t moult at all but will leave little tumbleweeds of wool around where he’s had a good scratch
    Our old Weimaraner was brilliant HPR it was lovely to watch but he was a bit highly strung and suffered a bit from separation anxiety until he got a bit old .( he was £500 as a pup 30 years ago but they were pretty rare then)
     
  13. We have had 4 rough collies - the last one had to be put down last November aged nearly 13 - he was "rescued" from a breeder when he was aged 1 as he "wouldn't show". We also have a Staffie/collie cross and we adopted her aged 1 from a rescue 7 years ago - more by chance than choice - she is a lovely dog - far more friendly than the collies - she was difficult at first but after about 2 months she eventually settled down with us - so I would recommend a rescue dog as long you are prepared to be patient. The designer dogs are mostly from horrendous puppy farms - avoid like the plague or you will have big vets bills.
     
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  14. The trouble is Diddy this thread isn't about pedigree dogs where the health checks will also include tests for the parent dogs prior to breeding its about designer cross breeds where less is considered.

    I don't suppose that those breed from their own dogs once every few years are really in it for the profit as there are a multitude of costs incurred. There's probably more profit in dog breeding per pup for the unscrupulous puppy farming types who wont do any of the nice to do things.
     
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  15. we have both a miniature labradoodle and a cockapoo and both are great dogs and we have in the past had pedigree dogs...
    both caracters are different but all dogs are it is up to you what you want from a dog, some dogs I just would not have.
    your lifestyle also has an effect.
    the cockapoo prefers to be with you most of the time while the labradoodle does not care if its left on its own, not that it matters as they both go to work with us which a lot of people just cannot do.

    as the wording keeps coming up here 'puppy farm'. a puppy farm is the wrong wording as generally they are just people pumping out puppies tag lag with no concern for the animals at all and can be your next door neighbour. we have all seen images of dog breeders with 100's of dogs for sale that are unfit to keep animals full stop.

    always ask to check out the parents, it can be difficult to see both parents
    after all that its up to you
     
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  16. We've had Rescue dogs for the last 20 odd years; CollieX, Staffie X, Jack Russell, Jack RussellX, Patterdale...

    All have been lovely dogs, albeit a bit strong willed in a couple of cases.

    They've all been fine with our sons throughout them growing up over this time.

    Our Patterdale is now about 16/17 - no one really knows as he was a 'rescue' - and when he does depart we'll get another Rescue dog.
     
  17. Looking at what they give you back ,and how much some car parts cost ,I think you get more for your money ,and more love than your find anywhere ,even than from the prime minister :D , I miss my three springers all gone a good few years ago fraid :( .The only thing I will say ,you must give them your time and love back , they arnt just for Christmas . I would have loved another dog but I had to think about the dog and my circumstances . Good luck with search and if you can make sure you meet the parents , they should give you a good idea of what’s to come , let them know who’s the boss ,in the nicest way :thumbsup: We all have our favs ,they don’t have to be the most fashionable or expensive dog on the block .
     
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  18. Lot of homeless greyhounds around, unfortunately :(
     
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  19. There's a couple of people in our village who 'take-in' unwanted greyhounds.

    Maybe it's just me but they never seem happy on a lead whereas other dogs seem to tolerate it more and concentrate on sniffing everything in sight.
     
  20. I'm a volunteer dog walker at Manchester Dogs Home. I go once a week and in two years I've only had half a dozen non-Staffies to walk. That said I would take just about all of them home if I could. Lovely dogs. I would recommend going for a rescue dog every time - even if there isn't a home close to you.
     
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